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	<title>Comments on: Abandoned Mines Part I: Preserve or Destroy?</title>
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		<title>By: Allan Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.wickenburg-az.com/2010/03/abandoned-mines-part-i-preserve-or-destroy/#comment-865</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Schraut,
You are a rare individual and I applaud your efforts to record as many mines as you can.  I would encourage you to contribute a few articles with photos so that others can read about and &quot;see&quot; what history has already been lost in the general Wickenburg area.  Even if you don&#039;t have a detailed record of the history, people will appreciate knowing what these mines looked like at a point in time.

There are two other local mines that were destroyed by the BLM in years past.  One was the &quot;Camp B&quot; mine, below Constellation Road and south of the King Solomon.  Another was a very large placer mine (complete with buildings) that operated for years about two miles northeast of the The Box, above the Hassayampa River.  Culturally, this was an important location because of the mine settlement and the contribution of Chinese labor at this site.  Sadly, nothing is left today.

Keep up the good work!  There aren&#039;t nearly enough folks dedicated to the preservation of history - even if on an informal basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Schraut,<br />
You are a rare individual and I applaud your efforts to record as many mines as you can.  I would encourage you to contribute a few articles with photos so that others can read about and &#8220;see&#8221; what history has already been lost in the general Wickenburg area.  Even if you don&#8217;t have a detailed record of the history, people will appreciate knowing what these mines looked like at a point in time.</p>
<p>There are two other local mines that were destroyed by the BLM in years past.  One was the &#8220;Camp B&#8221; mine, below Constellation Road and south of the King Solomon.  Another was a very large placer mine (complete with buildings) that operated for years about two miles northeast of the The Box, above the Hassayampa River.  Culturally, this was an important location because of the mine settlement and the contribution of Chinese labor at this site.  Sadly, nothing is left today.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work!  There aren&#8217;t nearly enough folks dedicated to the preservation of history &#8211; even if on an informal basis.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Schraut</title>
		<link>http://www.wickenburg-az.com/2010/03/abandoned-mines-part-i-preserve-or-destroy/#comment-863</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Schraut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you both for the kind replies. I have read the subsequent articles and your points are well made.

While not covered in this series of articles, the &quot;closure&quot; of the Anderson Brother&#039;s Mica Mill 
( c. 1950 ) on the San Domingo Wash in the White Picacho District is yet another example of the BLM&#039;s &quot;heavy handed&quot; methods. 
 
When I first came out to Arizona, I &quot;discovered&quot; this site and was truly amazed at the 
&quot;craftsmanship&quot; and sheer ingenuity of the operators ( Andersons ) in constructing this operation out of literally anything at hand from old WW II aircraft runway sections to assorted other &quot;scrap&quot; materials. During my early visits, there was a working well, that I have pictures of myself &quot;pumping&quot; ( the original motor was long gone at that time but a hand priming pump still drew water. )

There was a very tall bucket conveyor that was used to carry the quartz/mica up to a series of sizing trommels where the mica was separated and sized. Other interesting equipment was also on the site including a windmill ( again made from scrap materials ) that still spun and tracked into the wind, and a core drill which had been used to take samples of the nearby geology and a &quot;shack&quot; where the core samples were once stored. ( I have several of these that I picked up and use occasionally to sharpen my knives ! ).

The first &quot;sign&quot; that some sort of &quot;clean-up&quot; was at hand was during a subsequent visit with a friend who I had wanted especially to show the windmill ... It was gone !  Just as though someone had pulled up a carrot, there literally was nothing to be found where it had formerly stood ! No foundation, no structure of any kind ...
Little by little, the abandoned equipment and &quot;parts&quot; began to disappear, culminating in the complete removal of the well apparatus and the &quot;capping&quot; of the water supply pipe ( it and the &quot;priming&quot; pipes now being welded shut ! ) Today, ( 2008 ) there is almost nothing left of the original site as I had initially found it.

When I inquired as to why the extreme measures for a site that of any which I&#039;ve visited, should in my mind have been designated an Historical Site ( if for nothing else, the amazing ingenuity displayed in its construction ), I was told that there were concerns about &quot; homeless squatters using the site&quot; so it was decided to essentially raze the site- another piece of Arizona&#039;s &quot;history&quot; now lost to time .... At least I have my photos of this amazing place. 

This is the very reason a friend and I have taken up, as a sort of &quot;hobby&quot;, the locating, exploring, and photographing of these various sites so as to preserve, as best we can, this part of Arizona&#039;s fast disappearing &quot;history&quot;.





 have made it kind of a &quot;hobby&quot; to visit as many of these places as we can and at least record and preserve what remains with photos as many of these sites have already been destroyed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you both for the kind replies. I have read the subsequent articles and your points are well made.</p>
<p>While not covered in this series of articles, the &#8220;closure&#8221; of the Anderson Brother&#8217;s Mica Mill<br />
( c. 1950 ) on the San Domingo Wash in the White Picacho District is yet another example of the BLM&#8217;s &#8220;heavy handed&#8221; methods. </p>
<p>When I first came out to Arizona, I &#8220;discovered&#8221; this site and was truly amazed at the<br />
&#8220;craftsmanship&#8221; and sheer ingenuity of the operators ( Andersons ) in constructing this operation out of literally anything at hand from old WW II aircraft runway sections to assorted other &#8220;scrap&#8221; materials. During my early visits, there was a working well, that I have pictures of myself &#8220;pumping&#8221; ( the original motor was long gone at that time but a hand priming pump still drew water. )</p>
<p>There was a very tall bucket conveyor that was used to carry the quartz/mica up to a series of sizing trommels where the mica was separated and sized. Other interesting equipment was also on the site including a windmill ( again made from scrap materials ) that still spun and tracked into the wind, and a core drill which had been used to take samples of the nearby geology and a &#8220;shack&#8221; where the core samples were once stored. ( I have several of these that I picked up and use occasionally to sharpen my knives ! ).</p>
<p>The first &#8220;sign&#8221; that some sort of &#8220;clean-up&#8221; was at hand was during a subsequent visit with a friend who I had wanted especially to show the windmill &#8230; It was gone !  Just as though someone had pulled up a carrot, there literally was nothing to be found where it had formerly stood ! No foundation, no structure of any kind &#8230;<br />
Little by little, the abandoned equipment and &#8220;parts&#8221; began to disappear, culminating in the complete removal of the well apparatus and the &#8220;capping&#8221; of the water supply pipe ( it and the &#8220;priming&#8221; pipes now being welded shut ! ) Today, ( 2008 ) there is almost nothing left of the original site as I had initially found it.</p>
<p>When I inquired as to why the extreme measures for a site that of any which I&#8217;ve visited, should in my mind have been designated an Historical Site ( if for nothing else, the amazing ingenuity displayed in its construction ), I was told that there were concerns about &#8221; homeless squatters using the site&#8221; so it was decided to essentially raze the site- another piece of Arizona&#8217;s &#8220;history&#8221; now lost to time &#8230;. At least I have my photos of this amazing place. </p>
<p>This is the very reason a friend and I have taken up, as a sort of &#8220;hobby&#8221;, the locating, exploring, and photographing of these various sites so as to preserve, as best we can, this part of Arizona&#8217;s fast disappearing &#8220;history&#8221;.</p>
<p> have made it kind of a &#8220;hobby&#8221; to visit as many of these places as we can and at least record and preserve what remains with photos as many of these sites have already been destroyed</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Koch.</title>
		<link>http://www.wickenburg-az.com/2010/03/abandoned-mines-part-i-preserve-or-destroy/#comment-854</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Koch.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 06:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice article. Like Mr. Schraut, I could not agree more. Having been to both of these mines, I know exactly what you are talking about. I also agree that they are a part of history and should not be filled in. A simple fence you mention in your other articles was prevent accidents and preserve their history. Anyway, thank you for writing such an interesting article.
-Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice article. Like Mr. Schraut, I could not agree more. Having been to both of these mines, I know exactly what you are talking about. I also agree that they are a part of history and should not be filled in. A simple fence you mention in your other articles was prevent accidents and preserve their history. Anyway, thank you for writing such an interesting article.<br />
-Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.wickenburg-az.com/2010/03/abandoned-mines-part-i-preserve-or-destroy/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 06:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Schraut,
Thanks for your comments.  If you have had the opportunity to read the 2nd and 3rd installments of this series, you will know that I believe there are better options for preserving Arizona&#039;s historic mines.  My greatest concern is the BLM&#039;s approach to dealing with abandoned mines.  Simply put:

1. A citizen&#039;s complaint about the perceived danger of any mine can lead to destructive closure.  In the case of the Mammoth Spar Mine, two complaints were filed by non-resident visitors, leading to its closure.

2. There is no procedure that allows the general public to comment or lobby for the preservation of a mine on the BLM&#039;s closure list.

3. The BLM does not issue public notices about planned closures.

4. The BLM will not provide a list of planned closures when requested.  They maintain &quot;there is no list.&quot;

5. The BLM has recently used deficit financed &quot;federal stimulus funds&quot; to pay for destructive closures.

I share your concern that an important aspect of Arizona history is being lost - without our knowledge or recourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Schraut,<br />
Thanks for your comments.  If you have had the opportunity to read the 2nd and 3rd installments of this series, you will know that I believe there are better options for preserving Arizona&#8217;s historic mines.  My greatest concern is the BLM&#8217;s approach to dealing with abandoned mines.  Simply put:</p>
<p>1. A citizen&#8217;s complaint about the perceived danger of any mine can lead to destructive closure.  In the case of the Mammoth Spar Mine, two complaints were filed by non-resident visitors, leading to its closure.</p>
<p>2. There is no procedure that allows the general public to comment or lobby for the preservation of a mine on the BLM&#8217;s closure list.</p>
<p>3. The BLM does not issue public notices about planned closures.</p>
<p>4. The BLM will not provide a list of planned closures when requested.  They maintain &#8220;there is no list.&#8221;</p>
<p>5. The BLM has recently used deficit financed &#8220;federal stimulus funds&#8221; to pay for destructive closures.</p>
<p>I share your concern that an important aspect of Arizona history is being lost &#8211; without our knowledge or recourse.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Schraut</title>
		<link>http://www.wickenburg-az.com/2010/03/abandoned-mines-part-i-preserve-or-destroy/#comment-751</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Schraut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 01:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not agree more !  Having visited this site and many others in my years of residency in Arizona, I have come away with a sense of awe and wonder at the sheer determination of those who worked these sites and believe this IS a part of our history ( a legacy ) that has unfortunately been forgotten and generally ignored. 
I have entered many drifts, adits and shafts with relative safety in so far as I have a background in mining - both hard rock and coal - and an appreciation of the safety issues involved. I have never once been in a &quot;deadly&quot; situation - I simply avoid them if I deem it so. 
Those few individuals who decide to barge in like the proverbial &quot;bull&quot; with no pre-planning or prepared equipment unfortunately, usually end up as in your narrative above. 
These are the same people who don&#039;t look both ways before crossing a busy intersection and end up in the hospital or worse. 
It is sad that the &quot;remedial&quot; reaction by the &quot;authorities&quot; when an incident like this happens,  almost always is heavy-handed and occasionally, even what might be considered extreme.
Unfortunately, there is nothing to be done to educate the occasional idiot and I wonder as well, what ever happened to the concept of &quot;personal responsibility&quot; for ones actions ?  When was is it that &quot;government&quot; took on the responsibility for protecting everyone from everything - where is the adult ?  
Some of these mines should be placed on the National Register of Historic Places - not simply filled with scrap and refuse and erased and forgotten as though they never existed ! 
A slap in the face of anyone who ever tried making his living in this manner !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not agree more !  Having visited this site and many others in my years of residency in Arizona, I have come away with a sense of awe and wonder at the sheer determination of those who worked these sites and believe this IS a part of our history ( a legacy ) that has unfortunately been forgotten and generally ignored.<br />
I have entered many drifts, adits and shafts with relative safety in so far as I have a background in mining &#8211; both hard rock and coal &#8211; and an appreciation of the safety issues involved. I have never once been in a &#8220;deadly&#8221; situation &#8211; I simply avoid them if I deem it so.<br />
Those few individuals who decide to barge in like the proverbial &#8220;bull&#8221; with no pre-planning or prepared equipment unfortunately, usually end up as in your narrative above.<br />
These are the same people who don&#8217;t look both ways before crossing a busy intersection and end up in the hospital or worse.<br />
It is sad that the &#8220;remedial&#8221; reaction by the &#8220;authorities&#8221; when an incident like this happens,  almost always is heavy-handed and occasionally, even what might be considered extreme.<br />
Unfortunately, there is nothing to be done to educate the occasional idiot and I wonder as well, what ever happened to the concept of &#8220;personal responsibility&#8221; for ones actions ?  When was is it that &#8220;government&#8221; took on the responsibility for protecting everyone from everything &#8211; where is the adult ?<br />
Some of these mines should be placed on the National Register of Historic Places &#8211; not simply filled with scrap and refuse and erased and forgotten as though they never existed !<br />
A slap in the face of anyone who ever tried making his living in this manner !</p>
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